Only with an eternal perspective of Gods great plan of happiness can we ever find a more excellent hope. NEIL WILLIAMS: I didn'tcertainly didn't feel the thrill of them that she felt for her other work. And if someone goes home and they're thinking about the work that night, then it's even more successful. Though our words can do little, we hope our thoughts and prayers will encourage you this period and always as you mourn, the passing soul. And what a lovely turn of phrase to use when talking to them. I got to back out and work for her, orbut he washe was ahe was a treat. 241 Followers. She would buy them outright. She was very patient and shesized people up and, as far as what would be the best fit for Viola. NEIL WILLIAMS: So, it's like Picasso said, it took him what, sixty years to learn to draw like a child again? But, it was funny becauseI think Bob and Manuel each had cigars and they were smoking them back in their cigar days, and as they left, they left cigars in the grandmother's little thing and handedthey left their little cigar butts, and then next morning Viola just, "Ugh!" It's serious life-force work, and if it's good it's all-consuming and it works on multiple levels. NEIL WILLIAMS: That says very well. And so I always liked that. . I rememberimages were very personal to her, of course, and it made sense because she was in a panel once, a discussion panel at NCECA [National Council on Education for the Ceramic Arts]. NEIL WILLIAMS: and what she needed, and how to help maximize her output safely, and still maintain their own sense and wits about them compounded by the extreme physical demands. They're just the overblown concrete monstrosities that this local dentist made that were still there. I never saw anything she was doing was morose. [Laughs.]. "I'll take them." ", NEIL WILLIAMS: In fact she talked about when she was young and smoking all the time, she would have to stop and smoke and stop and she realized, "Oh my god." I had a couple follow-up questions that occurred to me this morning. And I let her go, and I said "Well," and then she would go, "Oh, so I'm wondering if you could come and unload the kiln and put the Red Woman together so it could be seen." And that's unusual. MIJA RIEDEL: I have to leave that for a heartbeat. Andbut I was never motivated to doing thepursuing the wholeI don't know why. She wasthe figures were getting bigger. MIJA RIEDEL: You didn't grow up in Oakland? Just a brilliant guy. NEIL WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. NEIL WILLIAMS: Yes, she was there, and she hadI remember the first day of class was the morning after Richard Behrens, the glaze guru, the elderly gentleman, the wonderfulhad passed away. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. MIJA RIEDEL: Yeah. And I could do something that would stay alive and interesting, I wouldn't get bored after 40 years. Fitting together. What a loss. You do a series of three pieces. MIJA RIEDEL: That doesn't feel thoroughly finished to you? MIJA RIEDEL: Did anybody ever corroborate that besides Charles? NEIL WILLIAMS: county has the county exec, which administers all of theso he administers welfare, purchasing agent, law enforcement, D.A. NEIL WILLIAMS: You know, she didn't press her to make a certain line of work. It just didn't really go anywhere. NEIL WILLIAMS: and of course having her daughter Trish and Calvert working for so long for her. NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah, within the end of the first semester there, yeah. And when I started meeting them and seeing their collections, it was like, "Oh my goodness." And so, that was just overwhelming to me, that some of those same people wereI mean, like, Betty Asher and her cup fetish, NEIL WILLIAMS: that Asher formand I remember, because meeting her through installing Viola's show and realizing she had the cup fetish, and, "Oh my gosh, I make little cups." They're fighting it." I regret nothing. MIJA RIEDEL: They make me think of Gehry and that sense of flight, almost. I mean, Betty Asher's, Stphane Janssen's collection wasare you familiar with him at all? Salary in 2019. NEIL WILLIAMS: side. 0000012685 00000 n NEIL WILLIAMS: In their work, and inalso, in them as human beings. Those kinds of points, like I say about quotes. Seems that you work has, over decades, been about theme and variation, and always with a focus on color and form, MIJA RIEDEL: and, in particular, it seems the vase form, the teapot form, and the cup have been almost canvases that you have workedyou've constructed and deconstructed over decades. And then, their influence, because Viola, and being around her, looking at art history, falling in love with everyone from Kandinsky to Gorky to Rothko. That scares me. A year after that, the two were married in the Salt Lake Temple, now almost 48 years ago. Ilike I say, it got larger and larger. I wanted to touch on those today. And I'd whitewash, get a basecoat, and she would go with blocks of color in and out of the kiln, sectionally. NEIL WILLIAMS: which you have a photo of. But not to be too simplistic. NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah. And I want to make a contribution. The camelyou know, all those little figurines, they were wanting to explore, like she said, small figurines on a colossal, larger-than-life-size scale. It's overwhelming. Gosh, who was there then, [Vernon] Coykendall, NEIL WILLIAMS: Boy, I can't think of who else was then. MIJA RIEDEL: Do you think of yourself as part of an American tradition? 0 0000112045 00000 n 0000004841 00000 n 0000001196 00000 n All information including race fields and TAB And I owned a gallery in Sacramento briefly. This information is provided for entertainment purposes only. She deserved it. What kinds of connections in order to keep you fueled up and keep you resourcing? NEIL WILLIAMS: Just humiliate them, ridicule them until they get it. Other than Viola, of course. Neil Williams was a top jockey, I remember him winning premierships in Brisbane, was the top rider there. NEIL WILLIAMS: I have no idea how it went. Berkley? It filledI think what it is, the youngest of four boys, by the time I came around, my mother had nothing left [Laughs.]. Just like, "I'm in my studio and life is good." I'll say one thing, Lucky Leak wouldn't have won at Canterbury had Jim Cassidy ridden it as programmed. But high school is where it really started tothe art department at the high school was reallybecause they were incredibly supportive, very enlightened. NEIL WILLIAMS: But it was something that seemed natural, and I felt comfortable just to finish her sentences, or, if I knew what she was about and she got hung up on aor if shebecause she would ask, "What do you think?" NEIL WILLIAMS: right up until the day she died. NEIL WILLIAMS: at the same time I gotthe quality, I think, was there. . Like, certainly Betty AsherAsher Faure and then in L.A, and then Rena. What do they want to do? MIJA RIEDEL: What kinds of storieswere they related to politics, or gender, or social issues, personal narratives? I mean, Jason Rhoades came out of that, another really important artist that you should look into. Curved line, you've got figurative and intuition and emotion. And then he passed away. Gosh. MIJA RIEDEL: Clay seemed a way for her to channel experience that was personal, but not necessarily make the piece be self-referential. MR] all these different quotes from all these different artists over time and different places, is there a community that's been significant to your development as an artist? Afterthoughts? You're surrounded by it. MIJA RIEDEL: There was a Spark episode that was about Viola. She was very active, and I really was grateful for what she did for me. So, she was inviting, you know, "Do you like that? In other words, it was time to go; session was over. MIJA RIEDEL: '77, from Auburn High School. And it showed up on my birthday, and this was from 1947, and it's like "I didn't even know they were having full nudes, let alone African American nudes, in drawing classes at U.C. NEIL WILLIAMS: And it'sand it's perversely somewhat true. Because you can literally erase or enhance a form with color. And vocabulary and marks that are important to you, not necessarily another language, but things that you'll start repeating, and then there's the journey in finding out why they're important to you. But they clustered them, so they morphed together and they were honeycombed together, in multiple, NEIL WILLIAMS: In Auburn, yeah. MIJA RIEDEL: You never talked at all about your working process, and I think that would be helpful. So, they supported the cost of larger pieces, and then big pairs of columns and such, and we're back to the little cup and saucer again. Switch to the dark mode that's kinder on your eyes at night time. The way you're describing it, it's clearly been there for years and years and years. ), digital, wav; 101 Pages, Transcript. She was in NCECA. And not that they're paying off,in terms of popularity or sales or any of that stuff. NEIL WILLIAMS: Not back then. MIJA RIEDEL: And where they all fired multiple times? It's how you want to be remembered, children in artwork, sosome of theI can see the university and art school things certainly are very, very important. As it stands now, I remember one beautiful oneas it stands now, this backyard is as good as you will see in any premiere gallery in the country. NEIL WILLIAMS: I mean, it's just like, when I was taking care of my grandmother, and she had Alzheimer's, and we would go out to lunch and visit and talk. NEIL WILLIAMS: She wasn't committed to it, but she was gracious enough to encourage me, and help. NEIL WILLIAMS: They'd tell you to grow up, and yetbut at the same timeit was empowering and working with clay. NEIL WILLIAMS: And expanded when she moved her studio down to Eighth Street [ph] to larger electric kilns with whole series with hydraulic hoists and rolling kiln floors and anything to try and get some of the stress off of me and, NEIL WILLIAMS: make her work more fluid, because I knew that there was a finite time that I could have. Okay. This information is provided for entertainment purposes only. They're almost like not markers. ], MIJA RIEDEL: But in the past would that be something that would. But, no need to die off young foryou can give your all for your work and still live to tell about it. NEIL WILLIAMS: So there is a key, there is a keyhole shape between them, especially in the black that was real important. I think Viola, herself, said they enabled her to deal with a mixture of two and three-D, in the round. ", "Neil is a great person to work with on every level. 0000007465 00000 n My father was a county exec to the Board of Supervisors for Placer County. And, she wasvoracious. longest barstool employees; nchsaa track and NEIL WILLIAMS: Similarities are consistent vessel and volume study. And Elmer was a fantastic painter but heit was real interesting because I was really young and didn't know a lot, but I knew he was an important painter, professor at U.C. He was like, "You know, palace-and-cottage, it's likeMichelangelo was a palace artist; Van Gogh was a cottage artist." Wonderful guy. And we're so full of ourselves now, like we've invented shit. And, in retrospect, looking back on it, it's like it was prettyit's been pretty full. So, there's a number of stories like that in the area. And there's a frenzy in some of thecertainly the bricoleur pieces and the paintings, there is an energy, a density, a frenzy, NEIL WILLIAMS: It's awell, we always kind of laughed a little. Marketing cookies are used to track visitors across websites. From straight-line stuff in 1980 or '83horizontal, vertical, and cut in thirds and large planes of colorto diagonal and feathering and curvilinear, which they tooka long time to get to. MIJA RIEDEL: One other quick question, unless you had a follow up thought? Were the plates the same process as the figures, same process as the junk pieces? NEIL WILLIAMS: And all the way down, like here. NEIL WILLIAMS: And then it's lightly water-polished with a damp sponge, NEIL WILLIAMS: after it's sanded, which is the excruciating part, because you're sanding these little fine, fine tines or fine, fine feathers without breaking them. Our deepest condolences and heartfelt prayers are with the family and friends. What's the trick? She was a member of the Sacramento Symphony. NEIL WILLIAMS: Because I know shefor both of them, she waseveryone loved their work, and they were like. So, that's how these have evolved and stayed interesting. NEIL WILLIAMS: But Marjorie was a character. NEIL WILLIAMS: She worked hard on them but they were alsoI know, quite fun. Unclassified cookies are cookies that we are in the process of classifying, together with the providers of individual cookies. I mean, go figure that. And then,what kind of support systems are out there for you? MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. "Neil is a great person to work with on every level. It's not that kind of work I do. It was mass and volume questions, and dichotomies there. 0000007053 00000 n [Affirmative.] NEIL WILLIAMS: But, at the same time, I don't want to get hung up in technical virtuosity, NEIL WILLIAMS: because it's kind of a sterile. What a brilliant way of answering that brief. ", NEIL WILLIAMS: So I was her first assistant which was really, MIJA RIEDEL: So, you graduated high school. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh, isn't thatI mean, isn't thatcommon with all of us? He said, "Cezanne's apples on the table have always done that for me. MIJA RIEDEL: What we're hoping for are your candid thoughts and memories of your experience. As he kept at it, President Eyring said, he began to see evidence of what God had done for him or his family that he had not recognized in the busy moments of the day. They would just kill off their enthusiasm and their energy. Net Worth in 2020. I think color, clay, and donuts were her thing. NEIL WILLIAMS: And it isand yeahIthat's got tothat's true. But in an education environment, I always tried to find out what their stories were, encouraged them to tell their story in some way, find images or experiences that were personal to them and share them. As a senior manager at The Brand Union, Middle East, he has been a continual source of inspiration to the team with his wry sense of humour and built-in positivity. So I don't know. So. They can bebut then you can get guys in high school that can send kids, artists, students well off into significant careers. That was theirthat's how they're going to keep from getting bored. Yeah, so, but that's just another recent friendship that's been real important. There was a little wheel in the back room that nobody worked with, so. MIJA RIEDEL: How about the female figures? And then she gave them to L.A. County and Scripps and Otis, and that's how they ended up in some of those, MIJA RIEDEL: Then you showed with her very early on in the mid-80s, early '80s, couple years. Cultures, it's cultural identity and it's human history. I remember we were driving back from installing her Crocker retrospective [ph]. NEIL WILLIAMS: Story telling was really important to her, and she talked about that. It's thecolor that surrounds us and brings us to life. So, survival and celebration, it might sound banal or, you knowhope it doesn't sound flippant, but it'sI think it's pretty simple. NEIL WILLIAMS: it just slipped her mind, because she was on to other things. [Affirmative. NEIL WILLIAMS: Varying heights. She was always in it, for her, with all her heart. And she said, "I was all prepared to be depressed, and you know what we did with depressionmilk if for all its worth." I never liked work that just picked you up and left you there. NEIL WILLIAMS: And the delight, again, back to the plates and the delight of the plates , no matter what the historians need to say about them, there was a bottom line, just pure delight in making them, just like it was pulling things out of the kiln for the first time. What do I do now? Was she making them as whole figures? But it's funny because even Huell Howser, when he came through Auburn to do one of his, AmeriCalifornia specials? He said he knew that he would survive going to Vietnam, he had no doubt. The reader should bear in mind that they are reading a transcript of spoken, rather than written, prose. And then it came up and I said, "Oh, those are from Dorothy.". MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. I noticed he was very accomplished and peaceful. MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. Unless you have a collector or someone who is a friend that says, lookI mean, like Stphane Janssen, what he did just floored me. MIJA RIEDEL: When you say great European work, what do you mean? I think Kevin Anderson at the time was helping, or part time help for installing. NEIL WILLIAMS: You know, whatever the image is, you stay focused on thewhatever you're compelled to make. A unique soul with a great personality has an amazing sense of humour, diligent and caring. Finally, where do you see your work fitting into contemporary art? And she bought most of them and took them home with her. MIJA RIEDEL: Now, would you describe your childhood? NEIL WILLIAMS: So, I spend the time trying to figure that out and try to apply the whole psychotherapy aspect of it butand I realized that it wasit became somewhat redundant to try and figure it out. So, it's a terrible burden, I think, in a way, to bear. MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. And, of course, she'd make deals, you know, "I'll pay you so much a month whether you work or not." I understand now I didn't have much exposure to it, but even looking and taking art history courses at that time, it was unusual. NEIL WILLIAMS: so she worked fluidly if we had 10 or a dozen going in molds. But didn't pursue it herself. Parents owned the local feed store. It's like Viola would say, "Look down the street, it's just if you took away all the trees there would be no harmony." 56 0 obj <> endobj Somewhere at the first day of Arts and Crafts, or the first week of Arts and Crafts. She'd say, "On the thing, on the thing, on the thing, you the thing, the thing, the thing." 0000112404 00000 n You just go on doing what you're doing." MIJA RIEDEL: I thought you had said otherwise yesterday, but okay. MIJA RIEDEL: Now would you take chainsaw, as well, or whatever the saw was that Sam was describing and cut them up that way? I think thatfor me, when she started doing the larger works and the color fields, I didn't feel the emotional connection that she had with them before. But then he would calm down, and heand I don't know, I'm sure that has to do with his also being a veteran and, NEIL WILLIAMS: you know, he nearly died from malaria and whatever other issues, but, MIJA RIEDEL: I did speak with someone else who said that the war was deeply traumatic for him. And then certainly now working, knowing people like Sam Tubiolo more, working with his project, this Los Alamos mural project with him, it'sI mean, I'm loving that. NEIL WILLIAMS: And so, for me personally, I thought some of the larger pieces werethat they looked unfinished. Like, he would earlier talk about you becoming a writer more so than a clay person because it wasit was essential to life's calling and consciousness. NEIL WILLIAMS: But I guess she had to go with it. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh yes, and they had been for quite some time before that. NEIL WILLIAMS: I certainly could find that for you and supplement, but I do notI. she used to buy these boxes of doughnuts and bring them into either to class or she'd bring them home because she thought I would want doughnuts when I'm working. Neils older brothers, Gary and Lee, became chef and chief barman there. Media. And so she encouraged surface which, so the early ones, were very textual, very tactile. I've heard of some horror stories in university and community college professors. So Viola was starting to get some income and looking for something to do with her money andanother funny story hereand she wanted to castshe cast some little things in bronze. Not that I needed to be satisfied from a good book or a good viewing of a painting or a sculpture. National Geographic? NEIL WILLIAMS: It was Neil William's Galleries. MIJA RIEDEL: It feels like that to me, too. 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